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RE: [nzastronomers] Missing the deep sky images that used to get posted regularly?? Hey Coops, good to see ya back..



Tony, yes, he’s so right!!  that is one awesome image I agree.  Thanks

for targets Ian, I’m fascinated by the LMC and the SMC.  We had halos

and bits of halos coming and going all day today .  I was on Mt Vic  and

t		 143
RE: [nzastronomers] NGC 2516.........etc And suddenly our list is back on form.. 



 



Where in the sky can we find the ugly princess guys? (could be the swan

or the rubber duckie…)



 



And I did get the starfish up, but perhaps of more interest (or less) I

put up some sun halos or re		 41
[nzastronomers] Aurora stamp release The US Postal Service released aurora pics on two stamps..   back on

Sept 28th.

U.S. Postal Service to Issue Aurora Stamps

<http://www.usps.com/communications/newsroom/2007/sr07_040.htm>



 



(I put pics here for rapid access:

http://www.gadot.we		 67
astro related terminology  in the rock pools - Littoral Asteroids of New Zealand All, ‘asteroids’??





I’m even more blown away today by finding out that astro terms are in

use for marine stuff, much more than I had previously seen. The two

large starfish I photographed on Sunday turn out to be Astrostole Scabra

and they are ‘Lit		 6
RE: [nzastronomers] Successful Canon 300D IR Operation ... Not!!! Matt,



Know the feeling well, but in my case the konica-minolta factories were

sold to sony, and I don’t think sony will want to fix my older camera,

and I calculated it wouldn’t be worth it, so I’m looking for the repair

manual, its likely to be som		 40
RE: [nzastronomers] Canon Batteries John, Larry,



I got 2 BP511’s and just checked that they fit the 20D, so I’m very

happy indeed.  They are on charge now for tonight, that gives me more

than a whole night’s operation so won’t need a psu yet. Hope the swap

turns up, but at worst case		 9
TONIGHT!! 3S5 - another event in the series to raise awareness for the sky, light pollution, open spaces Three Scapes Five - Taatai Arorangi, Wellington, 25 October 2007 @ Te

Rae Kai Hau Point



All,

Well,  its seemed almost passe for astronomers to show the moon, and

running astro events at full moon was unthinkable, but I believe it’s a

possible misse		 88
RE: [nzastronomers] Canon Batteries Cheers Rodney,  ive had that experience, where I actually threw it out,

and retrieved it…  my batteries arrived at 7am yesterday morning also,

fabulous.



 



 



regards,

Paul Moss  +64 4 233 9889  mobile +64 21 440 443 Rakiura Music w.

www.music.		 30
[nzastronomers] the sun, the moon and the stars (and the littoral asteroids!!) not to mention the Fairy Blue Penguins All,



Three scapes three went off!!  Not too many people but regulars showed

up and the moonrise and sunset were both stunning. We had a huge wind at

first, but that died down after dark.  Not too much astronomy, but the

musicians turned up, and we		 35
RE: [nzastronomers] What an awesome night in Wellington. Hey Terry,



Yes, really good to see you. Did you read about the Little Blue penguin?

Some of the images we took that night are on Gallery 25 here

http://www.gadot.wellington.net.nz/gallery25.html . 



 



Roger the portability thing, I am more int		 39
convex mirror sources All,



Anyone know of NZ sources for convex mirrors such as pictured? I have

written to Cosmodome  but I don’t want the warping software, I’m happy

to warp my images somewhat…



 



If you cant see the pic then it’s a half  hemisphere, mirrored to

p		 9
RE: [nzastronomers] convex mirror sources Sorry heres the pic



 



 



regards,

Paul Moss  +64 4 233 9889  mobile +64 21 440 443 Rakiura Music w.

www.music.gen.nz <http://www.music.gen.nz/>  



 



From: nzastronomers@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:nzastronomers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of P		 45
RE: [nzastronomers] convex mirror sources Alec,

Good idea, although don’t know if the material can handle the process, but can only ask. I found the Tauranga mirror makers, and asked them.



See http://www.bennettmirror.com/index.cfm?&action=company





regards,

Paul Moss  +64 4 233 9889  mo		 8
RE: [nzastronomers] convex mirror sources Turns out that Bennett Mirrors in Tauranga have an outside mirrored product, half of a 600mm dome, for $280 +gst plus shipping, so I'll try that.





regards,

Paul Moss  +64 4 233 9889  mobile +64 21 440 443 Rakiura Music w. www.music.gen.nz 





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RE: [nzastronomers] convex mirror sources Hey Jarno,



I forgot that I might use it to photograph the scene as much as project,

good point.



 I’m looking for good reflectivity, as it will reflect both stars  and

clouds for the night and day movies. The Bennets mirror comes as a 1st

surface		 34
Astronomy Aotearoa reported in KAPI-MANA News, pics on front page. All,



Astronomy gets publicity. Robert Shaw, Anaru Reedy and I made it to the

Kapi-Mana News today, the newspaper for Porirua City.  (A weekly for 51

years with Circulation 23,190 and readership 43,000 15+)



 



The front page caption under our pic		 151
Zodiacal Light: Atmospheric Optics Update P-Q I forwarded this newsletter from Les Cowley,  I thought that it would be of interest to many of us, and especially as he deals with the 'çrossover' area between sky and space. I note that this particular update is with the higher altitude zones, even out 7
RE: [nzastronomers] convex mirror sources Rod,



Yes imagine the Wellington South Coast with aurora in a ‘half-sky’

camera….  Creative New Zealand just allocated $4.1Million,  from 671

applications  for $12.7M, so yes, I think we should be able to do

something about sharing the views…



 

 30
High Court Appeal could result in light pollution (trespass) Todays News,  high court appeal  hearing dates set down.



There has been an estimated $1.5M spent on trying to build on the open

space on the Wellington South Coast, and another round of legal fees

coming up for the high court appeal in May 2008.



 9
TEACHING by The Stars - article in the Dominion Post today ‘TEACHING by The Stars’ is the heading to the half-page article in the

Dominion Post Business section job profile today, when describing Robert

Shaw.   An awesome article, with quarter page photo by Stephen Wilson,

of Robert at a telescope.  When descr		 7
RE: [nzastronomers] Observing Comets. Hey NNHS..



I’m always up for looking and sharing, especially on the south coast. Might need some help from someone to confirm sighting but I can likely find it and show it given clear and dark sky.



I’ll do some trials as I’m going out to darker sky		 32
[nzastronomers] Observing Comets. Hey NNHS..



I’m always up for looking and sharing, especially on the south coast.

Might need some help from someone to confirm sighting but I can likely

find it and show it given clear and dark sky.



I’ll do some trials as I’m going out to darker s		 33
RE: [nzastronomers] Low RASNZAPS comp enrties John, All,



I reckon stay on target, and work it up as best we can.



 



Many of us are hampered by light pollution, low travel budget (blew it

all on the Dargaville/Ak/gissy trip, kiddin..) and inadequate

mount/drive/etc.. (clearly I need support		 55
ISS and Shuttle views tonight? All.



Photo opportunity for tonight?   for Wellington:



 



ISS



http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/realdata/sightings/cities/view.cgi?country=N

ew_Zealand&region=None&city=Wellington



ISS



Mon Nov 05/09:43 PM 14  14 above SSW 10 above SSE



ISS

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RE: [nzastronomers] Low RASNZAPS comp enrties JD, all,



I agree with Rod, but perhaps that could be one section, or subject to

entry by all submitters, ie an overall section.



 



Another idea, get the Astronomical Societies to agree to a 5 minute news

item at the beginning of each meeting, w		 37
RE: [nzastronomers] Fw: ESA: Submitting your pictures of Venus is now easier JD, Marilyn,



Gotta love it, Amateur Astronomy rocks!



 



quote: “> This is because although professionals are equipped with

state-of-the-art

> telescopes, they only have limited observing time. These days,

amateurs > are > also able to take exce		 44
RE: [nzastronomers] Low RASNZAPS comp enrties Roland,



 



 Its been said for about 10 years that “content is king” in reference to

websites. Cheers for your thoughts, there is more work than most

comprehend to make it happen, and keep up with it, so its great to hear.

I’m certain that for me,		 39
light pollution mapping, penguins could be proxy for state of play All,



I loved getting a url from Steve Butler today, had to share it! (respect

to our light pollution list) anyway, its pretty much what I suggested;

that we collect readings and create a thematic map of the reality, to

get some leverage and understa		 11
RE: [nzastronomers] Low RASNZAPS comp enrties Man the list is cookin today!   Roger Malcolm, thanks for that, I

believed that it would be sought after by some, and you confirmed it for

me.



 



0/ Roland is on to it…



1/ better to have  a ‘self entered database’ and really we have that

alread		 43
RE: [nzastronomers] Polar Align Hey Carl,



Sigma Oct even has its own myspace page with some info:

http://www.myspace.com/the_octant     I find that a bit weird but

whatever I’m weird too.



 



This is what Terry B in NSW says on Ice In Space forums:



“The 4 little stars in Oc		 144
 [nzastronomers]  Moon image request for new Book - Astronomy Aotearoa Workbook  All,



Robert Shaw just wrote and requested a pic for the student workbook that

he is writing currently. This is your opportunity of getting published

with full accreditation. I  am sorry if you missed the last round of

requests, must be 8 or 9 month		 15
[nzastronomers] little blue penguins could be proxy for dark sky index All,



Anyone have any knowledge of any research that connects NZ fauna to dark

sky by geographic location? I have uncovered a ‘previously held secret’

colony of Blue Penguins at the darkish sky Te Rae Kai Hau Point in

Wellington, and wondered if ther		 98
RE: [nzastronomers] little blue penguins could be proxy for dark sky index ‘Rod,



Yes, always a worry… but there are 50,000 in enzed and the developers

(Wellington City Council and Business) were quite happy to trash the

space ‘for the greater good’ …  And there is said to be 300-500,000

around Australia.



 



I thought		 32
RE: [nzastronomers] little blue penguins could be proxy for dark sky index Steve, awesome, thanks.



Full agreement and I must go out and get that book asap.   I have an

undersea video that talks of ALL corals spawning precisely within an

hour of each other at a certain lunar phase.



 



Its kinda sad that because the pe		 51
RE: [nzastronomers] Twister! WOW…  Graham



Awesome,  I saw the tops of some very big clouds in your direction but I

spose that’s not that far.. good shots!!



 



 



regards,

Paul Moss  +64 4 233 9889  mobile +64 21 440 443 Rakiura Music w.

www.music.gen.nz <http://www.music		 32
RE: [nzastronomers] Twister! what is a Brittle Star? Umm..another twister is called a snake star and another is a brittle

star… images attached.. Ophiuroidea: well the starfish is asteroidia .



http://www.seafriends.org.nz/enviro/echi/class.htm



 



 is there a parallel relationship in astronomy? A sn		 86
RE: [nzastronomers] 33 hour old Moon Hey Maurice,



I’m very partial to new moons myself, and I like your shot.  I spent the

entire afternoon out in the sun and the sunset was pretty unusual, no

clouds but massive washes of quite a range of very bright colour zones..

I didn’t think of mo		 130
[nzastronomers] 1/ Huge Sundial in Thailand 2/ sunny day events in Wellington All, Rudy,



Fabulous..  The sun and moon are pretty obvious icons on the path to

astronomy, and I wonder if we overlook them as a bit common sometimes.

I think that day astro events pretty much need the sun as a focus, and

so perhaps we can utilize o		 33
RE: [nzastronomers] Huge Sundial in Thailand Rudy/Alec,



I also looked up the site and found it on google earth, but yes, there

are no tiles in that area of high res. Still, an instructive exercise

and lots of memos of the river kwai and movies, war, etc..



 



 



regards,

Paul Moss  +64		 36
RE: [nzastronomers] Huge Sundial in Thailand Alec,



That’s because its Sri Nakarin  I used a google search to get close;

Sri Nakarin Dam 69 kilometres from Kanchanaburi, and just 4 kilometres

north of the Erawan National park, this massive structure marks the

southernmost extremity of an exten		 40
Image request for Astronomy Aotearoa student workbook from Robert Shaw “have you ever seen a pic of a NZer grinding a lens or building a

telescope?”  a pic of Graham Loftus perhaps? Any pic of any kiwi

grinding glass for telescopes would be much appreciated, with permission

to publish. 



 



Can anyone put me in touch		 5
RE: [nzastronomers] 33 hour old Moon Hey Coops, very nice composition, feels like Africa somehow.



 



I got out tonight, but the early shots are boring and the later stacks

didn’t work out how I imagined they might, so here is the best single

image, only slightly adjusted in photoshop		 121
RE: [nzastronomers] Matariki Imaged - At long last Umm.. cheers John, you’ve raised the bar yet again.



If you recall that night at Gissy gathering I was pretty chuffed to get

my FIRST pic of Matariki, and I suddenly felt the possibility of doing

what you’ve just done. I at last comprehended what was		 35
RE: [nzastronomers] Sunspots and Solar Observation // astro promo // astro education Congratulations Pauline and Ewan, Yes its really good for me hear about

such activity.



I’m fully into astro promo, and I’d like to congratulate Robert Shaw who

made it to the WELLINGTONIAN newspaper (readership 73,000) page 12 with

Astronomy Aotear		 200
RE: [nzastronomers] Image request for Astronomy Aotearoa  student workbook from Robert Shaw Cheers, Bob, I’ll pass that to Robert right here, right now…  Paul M



 



 



From: nzastronomers@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:nzastronomers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Evans

Sent: 14 November 2007 19:33

To: nzastronomers@yahoogroups.com

Subject:		 29
RE: [nzastronomers] Re: Matariki Imaged - At long last And Joe,



Isn’t it nice that my first real space image was Matariki on your

telescope at Gisborne…  mmmm looked ok until JB delivered his.. still

mine was a only a single shot with maybe an hour of work all up.  Wet my

appetite, and if it takes me 4		 237
RE: [nzastronomers] Nikon v Canon PK



Possibly not much help - I miss my Konica-Minolta for day shots, but it

was useless for night. I always liked Minolta from back in the 70’s but

then I loved the Canon AE1 program as well.  The K-M Dimage A2 cost

$2400 and is now $300 on trademe…		 33
RE: [nzastronomers] Nikon v Canon Rod, Focus. My Konica Minolta would focus on and track birds in real

time but the 20D cant even find them even in bright daylight… also, at

night, same for the penguins, the 20D built in flash isn’t enough to

achieve trial focus at more than a few metr		 33
RE: [nzastronomers] Comet C/2007 F1 LONEOS Cool shot George, Ray and I watched the ISS pass a couple of nights ago

it was brightest I ever recall, bright as Venus perhaps, is it measured

as getting brighter as they add and change stuff?    I need to go comet

spotting again… woot! Paul M.



 

 31
RE: [nzastronomers] Nikon vs Canon PK.



Agree with DSLR.. wouldn’t be without it,  flexibility, lenses, prime

use on scopes,  and night use are critical.   But also having a small

high performance camera for under $500 in the pocket is a great idea for

the day shots.



 



Cant hel		 33
Carter to reopen in February 2008? Just looked at the website:



 



“It is hoped that the Observatory will reopen in February 2008. More

details of the opening will be announced when they are available.”



 



http://www.carterobservatory.org/



 



regards, Paul Moss 







 

 5
mirror grinding photo taking request for Auckland astronomer / photographer Can anyone offer to go and take a photo of Graham Loftus grinding a

mirror for a telescope please??  The image is needed by Robert Shaw for

his student workbook, and will be in monochrome in the book, but in full

colour on the website.  Proper accredit		 10
RE: [nzastronomers] mirror grinding photo taking request for  Auckland astronomer / photographer Bob,



Thanks, I would love to see such an image some time as well…  nice

thought, I loved taking Graham and John Dobson through Te Papa and

Carter… very honoured.



 



Graham is grinding two 18 inch blanks for a bino I heard…  that would

make an		 31
Parhelia today  and clouds +++ All,



Well I ran off another thousand sky and sea shots today as we had one of

those complex skies that changed a lot, and had really interesting stuff

going on all day. Starting with vapour trails at lunch time on the south

coast and then I got wave		 129
RE: [nzastronomers] Re: A person grinding glass.. Image request for Astronomy Aotearoa student workbook from Robert Shaw Cheers Allan,



Awesome respect!!  Thanks, I believe that the list would love to see one

or two smaller sizes,  and  I think the larger files as possible could

be sent to me or Robert Shaw, I’ll process them for Robert. The list

needs to have under 20		 48
RE: [nzastronomers] Re: A person grinding glass.. Image request for Astronomy Aotearoa student workbook from Robert Shaw  Cheers Allan,



Awesome respect!!  Thanks, I believe that the list would love to see one

or two smaller sizes,  and  I think the larger files as possible could

be sent to me or Robert Shaw, I’ll process them for Robert. The list

needs to have under 2		 14
RE: [nzastronomers] Red Dot Sights Great idea Alec, that means aircraft I spose so yeah, I might have to

try that…



 



 



regards,

Paul Moss  +64 4 233 9889  mobile +64 21 440 443 Rakiura Music w.

www.music.gen.nz <http://www.music.gen.nz/>  



 



From: nzastronomers@yahoogrou		 29
RE: [nzastronomers] trivia Andy, when it gets too much set the controls for the heart of the sun!!!

I watched that movie a few times recently, I have both versions,  the

directors cut with lots of interspersed astro pics and musician

interviews, but I like the original best, jus		 31
STARS movie gathers momentum, contributions/help, and mirror trials success All,



I’m very happy to report more gallery bookings for the movie ‘STARS’

that I’m making to go with Warwick Blairs musical composition and

performance next year, also called ‘STARS’. We have 4 performances

across the country in Dunedin (Dunedin Art		 22
Astronomy Events and their structure, Dark Sky promotion, environmentalism All astronomers,



The purpose of this email is to promote discussion on how these astro

events can occur, how we can leverage them to grow our societies, what

we can do at them to promote the range of interrelated subjects, and who

will turn up to ru		 75
RE: [nzastronomers] Sunspot group Hey..  I’m never gonna forget… lol.. paul



 



 



From: nzastronomers@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:nzastronomers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham Palmer

Sent: 06 December 2007 18:42

To: nzastronomers@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [nzastronomers] Su		 34
RE: [nzastronomers] Sunspot group Chur..



agree with that..  saw a few faint almost subluminal displays that didn’

t do it for me, so 6 years is way too long to remember how it felt..

(my son is 1.5x his age at the time). Although I do recall the

excitement of seeing a green mist in		 36
Eventing is mixed success for astronomy, new opportunities to get it right next weekend. All,



Last Weekend.



The eventing here in Wellington is wildy disparate for astronomy from

one event to the next; last weekend we had awesome success with calendar

sales for Save The Point and GADOT at two events, Aro Markets and

Thorndon Street F		 19
Can whales see the stars better than us? All…



When I look at this pic that was taken by my friend Simon at Te Rae Kai

Hau Point a few months back, it occurs to me that whales have large

eyes, they clearly navigate large distances, they have large brains, so

can the see the stars better tha		 114
RE: [nzastronomers] Can whales see the stars better than us? Yes!!!  So they at least made it firmly into our modern cultural

material as well as the ancients, and that’s a valid astro connection,

chur for that…



 



I had a response from Anaru Reedy (Papa Tipua),   Te wananga o aotearoa,

our national treasur		 39
RE: [nzastronomers] AR '978 & high latitude plage region Graham, Andy,



Thanks for that, I’ll play some sounds of the sun over the sound system

tomorrow at the Whale open day, we are playing whale sounds too.. 



 



If I had someone that could supervise the telescopes I could give public

viewing, and as		 41
Wellington astronomy is live and free tonight at Queens Wharf ALL>



I haven’t seen anything about this on this list but maybe I missed it?

Can anyone confirm?  Anyway the Mainstream astronomy in Wellington is

clearly strongly represented in this area, and I can say that the

projected visuals ont h sails and ent		 18
Mata Ora was awesome, STARS movie day shoot commences, Whale day success Mata Ora.  Yes, mainstream astronomy was honoured with incredible music

and visuals by a highly talented team of musicians, artists, techo’s and

concept creators, at Queens Wharf last Friday night.  Jess Chambers and

Andy Hummel  sang about the moon, (		 145
RE: [nzastronomers] Got the shakes JD? Hey guys, our thoughts are with you. Yvonne felt it here in Papakowhai,

but I am changing a head gasket on the Suzuki on the drive (ugh) so I

didn’t… 



 



Paul Moss.



 



 9
RE: [nzastronomers] Got the shakes JD? Hey John, thanks for that, we were all a bit concerned for you guys.

It’s pretty special that we get such clear first hand reports, I’m sure

that geology and earthquakes are passions spread widely in this group.

I did wonder what it might have been lik		 275
RE: [nzastronomers] Carter Observatory Redundacy Brian, John,



Roger that, my heart is with you all, I’ve had significant support and

learning from you both over the years. Paul Moss



 



 



regards,

Paul Moss  +64 4 233 9889  mobile +64 21 440 443 Rakiura Music w.

www.music.gen.nz <http://www		 34
RE: [nzastronomers] Carter Observatory All,



My very good astro-friend Ron Fisher, is back in Wellington (after a

year in Melbourne)  for the xmas period, and has made it to

www.metvuw.com with his weather pics!!   Check them out.  Ron is another

significant influence on my astronomy acti		 11
[nzastronomers] Astronomy in New Zealand Thanks Hari, All,



CARTER.



Is it possible that the astro community can issue a public statement

about whats happening at Carter, to improve the perceived confidence in

the projects?  I was a little astonished at some of the responses myself

in som		 24
RE: [nzastronomers] Astronomy in New Zealand Lol Rod, its good to have a laugh..  appreciate that from your posts. 



 



Paul K. It’s my belief that any discussion is better than no discussion

as long as its within the group rules, and hopefully leads to answers

that help improve astronomy eve		 29
RE: [nzastronomers] Astronomy in New Zealand Dominion Post headlines ‘Observatory gets $1.4M as jobs axed’



 



All,



funny how it works, but there actually was a media release on Friday,

and in Saturdays newspaper, and now on Stuff, here

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4332691a10.html



 



Its b		 54
RE: [nzastronomers] NY @ Night + News Cheers Edwin,



fantastic shot, but very low resolution for the file size? Please feel

free to send me a higher res version and I’ll photoshop it down to under

200kb and send it out for the list dial-uppers… its sure a good light

pollution record.		 46
RE: [nzastronomers] Astronomy in New Zealand Merry xmas astronomers, and your whanau,  in enzed, and everywhere…..

Astronomy Aoteaora!!!



 



 



regards,

Paul Moss  +64 4 233 9889  mobile +64 21 440 443 Rakiura Music w.

www.music.gen.nz <http://www.music.gen.nz/>  



 



_,___



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RE: [nzastronomers] Re: Can whales see the stars better than us? Cheers Sue, very welcome info.



 



 



regards,

Paul Moss 



9
RE: [nzastronomers] Re: Can whales see the stars better than us? Cheers guys..  very interesting to me.. and funny too..  Paul M. 



 



regards,

Paul Moss  +64 4 233 9889  mobile +64 21 440 443 Rakiura Music w.

www.music.gen.nz <http://www.music.gen.nz/>  



 



From: nzastronomers@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:nza		 29
 Mirror coating help w info All,



Please assist Steven (Wellington Astronomer) directly off list

steven447@hotmail.com  re 8" to be aluminised/overcoat protection.



 



I am flat out with more than a 100gig of HD video and about 20G of

stills from PHAT08 Inangahua and Aucklan		 10
RE: [nzastronomers] Mirror coating help w info All,



Anyone able to help Steven Elliot with mirror coating company details?



 



Steven,



You could join this group, its really interesting and hugely helpful at

times…



 



regards,

Paul Moss 



 



From: nzastronomers@yahoogroups.com

[		 33
sun distorts in wierd ways Hey all..



I was treated to one of the best sunset displays of my life on January

4th, flying to my Nephews wedding in Auckland, I had booked the LH

window on the web and chosen the sunset flight, and it was only $49!!!



 



I see a bluish trend in		 138
RE: [nzastronomers] sun distorts in wierd ways Cheers Rod,  nice to have a response, I adored watching that process

through the lens which was kinda like a portable telescope in the sky!!



 



 



regards,

Paul Moss  +64 4 233 9889  mobile +64 21 440 443 Rakiura Music w.

www.music.gen.nz <http:		 31
RE: [nzastronomers] 4-day old Moon tonight Maurice,



Infinitely better astro shot than my compositions on Friday and Saturday

night at Parihaka International Peace festival;  I love the look along

the terminator in your image.



 



We spotted the new moon in the orange glow just above the		 34
RE: [nzastronomers] Re: Can whales see the stars better than us? Sue, maybe we are straying off the astro thread but yes I agree with

you.  I see there was  a whale and dolphin stand at Parihaka

International Peace Festival, and they said something about a protest at

Parliament, was that today? Anyway Ive long thoug		 38
RE: [nzastronomers] Evassive Maneuvers Cheers Graham…  pure visual art!!!    And roger the images going

online.. I have many thousands to wade through, but got a shortlist

going up soon..  and yes, lack of sleep Coops, so many nights with just

a few hours.. but very happy.



 



 



rega		 35
[nzastronomers] clouds are cool, are they driven by the sun's heat? Perfect Helmholtz Coops!!! Good to see CLOUDS make it back to our list..

lol..  I really enjoyed the sky yesterday afternoon on way back from

Parihaka down our west coast to home, was spectacular but camera is

broken and video camera is FULL and time w		 322
[nzastronomers] Astronomy and Music weekend. astro pics, new moon, matariki... All,



And for the astro pics from Taranaki…  nice new moon on Thursday night

in the orange glow over the Tasman, and above the trees on Friday and

Saturday night.



 



I took a few 30 second shots in the artists camp to show some friends

Matariki		 540
RE: [nzastronomers] Wow, what a stardate! Cheers John, All,



Roger the awesome weather and exhaustion, feel that still.  Its

disappointing to me that I cant be on both sides of the island on the

same weekend. I’m already booked for PHAT and Parihaka next year so I’m

quite keen on seeing what		 39
RE: [nzastronomers] Evassive Maneuvers Graham,



I agree its one of the best Ive seen as well…  I saw them forming on the

trip back along the west coast but no still camera anymore…



 



Don’t worry, in the scheme of things ive had a couple of odd hate mails

but considering the thousand		 46
FW: ISAN 2008 All,



Message from Donna below. Is April 12th  2008 good for kiwis to run

ISAN? (International Sidewalk Astronomy Day).  May 10th is International

Astronomy Day.



 



I still believe that going to the people is the best strategy, and that

seems to		 13
Call me when the Cross turns over  - confirmation of meaning sought Hey all,



an interesting query, cant say Ive heard it before, but  maybe one of us

has. Diane is looking for confirmation of the meaning of “Call Me When

the Cross Turns Over”, in New Zealand. I cant recall any stories but I

seem to recall that ther		 13
metvuw weather pics Hey all,



I made it to metvuw yet again, but the real reason I’m sending this is

to alert you the aerial shot of Kaikoura, showing a massive spiral in

the sea that must be kilometers across.  The astronomical connection

must be the motion of fluids		 10
astronomy websites annual  traffic characteristics - content IS King after all. All. My personal views from the faultline… 



 



Thesis:  Half of your web site visitors come to your site for new and

relevant content, especially colourful and good images, from you. ie

originality is an imperative.



 



Ive been fairly passion		 64
astronomers without borders Had someone send me this site today, interesting concept. Made me create

a new logo for my astro activities. Check it out..  here

http://www.astronomerswithoutborders.org/index.php



 



 





One People, One Sky





The star-filled night fascinates		 24
Tony Travaglia makes it to METVUW All,



And very nice pics too!!  Cheers Tony.  http://www.metvuw.com/



 



regards, Paul Moss 







 



 5
11months and counting to The International Year of Astronomy All,



 



Looking at the press releases I note several important points that catch

my attention; summarized as all inclusive with specific mention of day

and night, youth,  and cultural values, I look forward to a year of

increased public awareness		 11
RE: [nzastronomers] Lunar Rainbow Image Beautiful….. thanks



 



regards,

Paul Moss 



From: nzastronomers@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:nzastronomers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Picking, Christopher

Sent: 28 January 2008 11:16

To: nzastronomers@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [nzastronomers] Lu		 31
Partial Solar Eclipse 7th feb yes, Thursday!! next week - Notes and questions All,



About 10 days to go for an interesting day event here in NZ. You can see

that I have generated about 15,000 impressions with my event listing in

New Zealand, and while that translates to a tiny fraction of ‘bottoms on

seats’ it will be instruct		 21
RE: [nzastronomers] Partial Solar Eclipse 7th feb yes, Thursday!! next week - Notes and questions Hey Andrew,



Try Larry, he posted a link yesterday and I updated my site with it as

well, and had a squiz at his pricelist. I goto mine from Camera-camera

in Auckland but I’m sure there are several sources here in NZ.



 



http://www.43sastro.com/		 51
another helmholtz Coops, all,



I just found my examples of Helmholtz from 18th November, it was a day

of many varied and complex cloud patterns flowing in from the south,

some of the series are posted here:

http://www.gadot.wellington.net.nz/sky/clouds3.htm



 



O		 103
first complete Kern arc halo  imaged - all sky phenomena is a path to astronomy appreciation All, - first complete Kern arc halo  imaged - all sky phenomena is a

path to astronomy appreciation



 



Looking at the message from Atopics, I am reminded of how I felt when I

spotted my first CZA, and even got a good image!! I was surprised,

elate		 104
RE: [nzastronomers] Re: Partial Solar Eclipse 7th Feb Cheers Bob, 



7 days to go,  did you see the weather just now? Invercargill had the

January record highest sunshine hours since records began, is that for

NZ as a whole?



 



 



regards,

Paul Moss  +64 4 233 9889  mobile +64 21 440 443 Rakiura		 33
RE: [nzastronomers] Re: Can whales see the stars better than us? OT Sue, Yes, well put, 



and its ok, there is a large and increasing portion of society moving

toward those views, irrespective of the mainstream views.  I figure we

know so little about whales, how they dive such depths for long periods

for instance,		 53
Re: Partial Solar Eclipse 7th feb yes, Thursday!! All,



Seems like we climbed to 700 impressions a day for the past week, and

that gives 18,096 impressions for the whole project (will be over 20k by

the event) so far. Hard to say what that actually means, but in any view

its an awful lot of opportun		 14
Re: Partial Solar Eclipse 7th feb yes, Thursday!! All,



Apologies for my slight error. Here is the definitive timing from the

RASNZ site, (thanks guys), I did give this reference and here it is

again.

 http://www.rasnz.org.nz/Events2008.htm#Sun1

Note that Masterton gets the best bite at 63.2% cove		 16
RE: [nzastronomers] Closure of Carter Observatory I’m also really surprised by the informal path of notice, and I wonder

what is going on????     I await an official announcement, but history

says maybe the Dominion Post will report something first.



 



Website up? or down?



(does their website w		 63
RE: [nzastronomers] Re: Partial Solar Eclipse 7th feb yes, Thursday!! Cheers John,



I had forgotten I should have a handout, and I’m low on ink again,

although I got reams of paper!! I could rework it for us here and print

in small font on smaller slips with a reference to a website, that’s

possibly a greener way, but		 88
Memories of Carter Observatory There are certainly  many very fond memories of Carter Observatory, the

people  and the phenomena, the environment and the feelings.  While I am

alarmed at change, I also embrace good changes that respond to need.

Maybe someone will build a gallery of		 24
RE: [nzastronomers] Closure of Carter Observatory Quote “..There are 15,000 people due at a music festival in Wgtn

tomorrow, and 30,000 in Porirua,  is there a single astronomical stand

anywhere in the country??? ..””



 



Dennis, all,



We likely all feel similiarly,  but its not over yet as far a		 20
RE: [nzastronomers] Eclipse activity

All,





I’m packing ready to drive off to the Wellington South Coast, we will be

between Lyall Bay and Houghton Bay,  at Princess Bay/Te Rae Kai Hau

Point.  Just thought that you would like to know that on

www.eventfinder.co.nz  there are approx 80		 35
 [nzastronomers]Eclipse Yes, a great day for Astronomy Aotearoa, so many news ways of  observing

observed!!



 



Good spotting Dave!!  Vulcan.    (someone asked if they could see Venus

but I forgot to look) Cool pics guys!!  Love the tin man and love the

play on  Einstein;		 6
[nzastronomers] Safe Solar Viewing Agree Larry, I printed out the NASA 'safe solar viewing' page and I was going to insist my viewers read it, but I left it at home!! We are supposed to post signs warning of the dangers really, but I dont have any currently.



A few years back, I did ins		 33
[nzastronomers] Eclipse lux measurements Euan, Tony,



thanks for that, especially interested. It’s a big occultation!! I put

my lightmeter on the ground and measured about 48,000 lux just before

the centre, it dropped to 42,000 lux at minimum, and then progressively

climbed back to about 8		 37
[nzastronomers] Eclipse from Wellington Thanks Roland,



A special thanks to Ron for first arrival and keeping my telescopes on

target, and Kat for so much practical help.



 



The other operator was my good friend George Moutzouris, an aurora

photographer from March 2001 at the South Co		 30
[nzastronomers] Andy gets Spaceweather prime spot (again) Hey Andy,



Fabulous images, the best!!  And yes NASA recognized that too..

congratulations for making it to Spaceweather yet again!! Too much, I

bet you’ve lost count now…



 



 



regards,

Paul Moss  +64 4 233 9889  mobile +64 21 440 443 Rakiura		 51
Peter Jackson report with his collage A relay from Peter Jackson with his collage. Can anyone help him

connect?



 



 



“”Hi Paul,



I don't seem to be able to connect onto nzastronomers@yahoogroups.com so

I thought I would try to connect with you this way. You certainly have a

great		 638
[nzastronomers] Eclipse Movie and frame grabs Very cool Chris,



Yeah shows the relative movement really well.  just what I had in mind,

I have to go and collect up enough frames though, and I missed the

beginning and end, mmm.   Could do with a good mount I spose.. Roland

was working on somethi		 29
RE: [nzastronomers] Yep, Me Too Nice Chopper!!..  lol  and a few more … cheers, great anim too..



 



 



regards,

Paul Moss  +64 4 233 9889  mobile +64 21 440 443 Rakiura Music w.

www.music.gen.nz <http://www.music.gen.nz/>  



 



From: nzastronomers@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:		 89
looking for the CHA today, Halo spotted! I woke up today and looked at the view through window and a feeling in

the sky of halo-ness and sure enough!! When I got out and looked up,

there was a halo around the sun for several hours.



 



Images at the top of my site, www.astronomy.net.nz


272
even more eclipse pics I’ve posted up a couple of Ron Fisher’s pics here, and on my astro site

for you. (ThanksRon). I’m especially impressed with Matt Visser’s

colander,  cool trick.



 



( I got 70 odd pics of the south coast eclipse event sent to me, and 26

frame grab		 180
All Astro-Communicators- eclipse website traffic - charts All,



If you are interested in a really important part of astronomy,

communicating, (a necessary component of eventing) then the 4 charts

will be of interest to you.  I believe that if your society is still

teettering or shrinking in numbers, then th		 37
RE: [nzastronomers] looking for the CHA today, Halo spotted! Hey Coops, thanks, YOU did it again!! 



Cheers for that, mine was taken through a Bedford Van mirror, as the

video camera isn’t wide enough.  I didn’t see any of that extra stuff

you got though I was thinking the crystals might be heading in your

di		 7
cost of repair of 20D shutter assembly is $400 All,



Canon advise they estimate the cost of replacing the shutter is $44

parts and $300 labour, (3 hours) along with the $40 estimate fee and

gst…  so I said do it quick!



 



I guess I wore it out…. I lost track of how many operations, but could
 48
RE: [nzastronomers] New to the Stars & The Group.. Phoenix Meet Last Saturday Hi Lee,



Welcome to our community of common interest. 



 



Re membership of societies; I don’t think it is a problem.  You will

find that  there are in fact members of both groups in both groups.

There are real advantages in being in both, such a		 40
RE: [nzastronomers] New to the Stars & The Group.. Phoenix Meet Last Saturday Hey Graham,



Beautifully brightly coloured sun Halo today, possibly moving your way..

(huge rainbow right now as I write). Paul



 



 



regards,

Paul Moss  +64 4 233 9889  mobile +64 21 440 443 Rakiura Music w.

www.music.gen.nz <http://www.music		 36
RE: [nzastronomers] Distant planets Yes!!   congratulations are in order, I particularly respect the degree

of collaboration evident, on ya guys. Great publicity and communication

with the broader audience out there as well… cool!



 



Here is the Herald link to article,  PHOTOS and Vi		 56
significant waterspout at Kapiti 7:15pm tonight Tony back on metvuw WATERSPOUT



http://www.tv3.co.nz/OnlineExtras/YourPictures/tabid/574/Default.aspx



 



a very mixed up day today weatherwise, it was spectacular looking at

this cloud from the other side where I am, sun halos and rain rainbows,

crepuscular rays et		 62
3 more eclipse pics for you from wellington All,



That ‘mottled’ eclipse pic is perhaps as good as any I saw from this

last event, Don took them on film, and it took a while to get processed,

scanned and sent to me. Ive posted them up on my site, with permission.

The 1024 pixel versions are li		 33
RE: [nzastronomers] Accidental meteors Martin,



The best place I know to observe such trails is Taranaki, while I was at

Parihaka the trails overhead were very similar and quite prolific.  I do

see them out west from here in Papakowhai quite often also, presumably

that’s the Christchurch-		 21
dark sky presentation to Porirua City Council tmrw mrng 9am. All,



Gordon Hudson, Anaru Reedy and myself (I’m hoping Roland can make it

also) are presenting the case for dark sky to the Porirua City Council

at 9am tomorrow morning, Thursday 21st Feb.  Its in the council chambers

on the second floor. I’m sure a		 252
first light for Lee .. lol  



Lee, here’s your first piccy’s!!!



 



Not quite the full moon tonight, but tomorrow night should be awesome if

you have  a view of the eastern Horizon. I didn’t see a green flash, I’m

still hunting one of those!! We did see incredible crepuscul		 262
STARS movie, full moon rise Wellington, Porirua City Council, astro phone call All,



 I made two 3 hour day segments for the movie “STARS” today, and

completed that a few minutes before the full moon rose over the Tararua’

s. The moon rise through the distant clouds was especially beautiful

again, with a very calm evening, alth		 24
Wellington Astronomy All,



Wellington Astronomy continues to develop;



 



Phoenix. I received my Phoenix Astronomical Society newsletter today,

‘Eclipses, Heavenly Homes and a “Standing Place”  ‘    I think it’s the

best yet.. 16 pages with pics on every page,  I gott		 284
parhelia yesterday parhelia yesterday, frame exports from 3 hour movie, each event only

lasted a few minutes, but halo came and went for long periods.



 



I’ll post these on www.sky.org.nz later today…



 



regards,

Paul Moss 



34
RE: [nzastronomers] parhelia yesterday Rod,



Thanks for that, Gordon Hudson reported such an unusually bright sundog

around 6pm on Thursday,  his new place looks directly across Titahi Bay

west to the top of the South Island, the whole of Mana Island down to

Tory Channel… magnificent!!		 324
RE: [nzastronomers] parhelia yesterday Thanks Coops.. brilliant!



I look for the parhelic circle everytime, they are relatively rare I

think. You captured nice versions.  Dogs with tails… lol. Makes sense I

spose.



 



Late 2004, I only saw one real  circle, and I didn’t really twig to		 20
Astro Event April 12th.  Sidewalk Astronomers - ISAN night April 12th Thanks Andrew,



all,



I was about to relay that email from Donna myself, thanks for that.

Important date: April 12th.



 



International Sidewalk Astronomy Night



 



It was a significant success last year, with 20,000 or more people

worldwid		 51
RE: [nzastronomers] STARS movie, full moon rise Wellington, Porirua City Council, astro phone call Thanks Steve, 



It was quite interesting seeing one of the city councillors (Robert

Shaw) sitting there watching us, with a smile on his face, having spent

a bit of time with him on and off over the last few years as he put

Astronomy Aotearoa togeth		 31
RE: [nzastronomers] Astrophoto Insight features a local Hey John.. thanks for that, 



 



also, look at www.metvuw.com  at least TWO of our astronomers are

featured there this week with some very nice pics.. there is also a very

cool telephoto shot of the sun about to set over the sea.



 



 



rega		 31
RE: [nzastronomers] Re: World Astro Cast on this morning  (WAC) Awesome Michael, dont let them beat you.. thanks for your effort and

initiative.



 



 



regards,

Paul Moss  +64 4 233 9889  mobile +64 21 440 443 Rakiura Music w.

www.music.gen.nz <http://www.music.gen.nz/>  



 



From: nzastronomers@yahoogr		 40
RE: [nzastronomers] Not quite Astrophotography but for only an hours ever use of a Scope? On ya Lee, surprisingly good result!! I bet youre pretty happy.



 



 Isn’t it such a new era? My nephew did that at the lunar eclipse with

his phone, and blue-toothed it into my phone, and then set it in my

phone as the background… and lots of peopl		 12
Porirua City policy message from Robert Shaw, Porirua City Council:



 



It is looking likely that Porirua City will adopt some new policy



regarding the dark sky. The presentation was well received, particualrly

by our officers. Nothing could be bettter!



cheers an		 7
meeting in Wellington 28th,  tmrw night at 7:30 at Science House (Royal Society Building), Turnbull Street, Thorndon Hey Lee, all,



I’m attending the Phoenix astro meeting tomorrow night, meeting some of

the crew at Subway in Thorndon first, say 6pm, Edwins giving a short

news talk which includes our south coast partial solar eclipse

experience, a fun happy time!!		 40
RE: [nzastronomers] Re: Not quite Astrophotography but for only an hours ever use of a Scope? Lee, all,



Yes, often guilty of being  “”Not quite Astrophotography but for related

purpose…”” and  I ride the dividing line between astro and atmospheric –

photography.  To me its all the same rich experience of ‘’out there’’,

one sky, one race, one		 216
Northern Star in northern Canterbury All,



Just had a weekend in Glentui which entailed a drive across the

Canterbury plains and I was quite excited about the extraordinary clouds

when this bus drove through my shot a few times, and I immediately

thought of sharing it with you all. 


94
A movie made in Wellington may launch IYA worldwide.. Hey all,  breaking news, from my own enquiries,  the movie Palindrome

may well be the lead into IYA.  Wouldn’t that be just awesome… I urge

you all to consider how you might support IYA and grow the community

awareness for astronomy across the nation.		 12
astro pics travel far and wide on the web There are more than 10 solar eclipse pics that got more than 4000

requests each.



(ref: http://tuatara.wellington.net.nz:2082/tmp/gadot/analog//3.html#dom

<http://tuatara.wellington.net.nz:2082/tmp/gadot/analog/3.html#dom>  )



 



All,



Our free		 16
more publicity for light polution issues “Light problem glaringly obvious, say astronomers”  - Kapi-Mana News 4th

March.



 



All,



Congrats to Gordon Hudson for  an article in the Kapi Mana News here,

they are really interested in what he is doing with his observatory, and

how it relate		 171
Earth could be destroyed when an unstable neighbouring star explodes Its name is WR104, and it could spell the end of the world.



A Sydney University astronomer has warned this week that the Earth could

be destroyed when an unstable neighbouring star explodes.



Dr Peter Tuthill said that observing WR104, a star system		 7
Earth Hour 2008 Ok everyone please take note: 



 



Earth Hour is a March 29th 60 minute self imposed power cut in as many

locations worldwide as possible. This is a great opportunity to speak to

your councils, run an astro event in the city,  generally get awarene		 6
meteor video last night, stars movie frames METEOR VIDEO



I captured a meteor (or space junk) falling into Raukawa (Cook Strait)

last night, while having fish and chips at the beach at Hongoeka  (just

a few km north along from Plimmerton).  I was just enjoying the awesome

sunset and watching v		 193
the sky is dancing  with colour and its heading north.. The new icy high clouds ran across the incredibly clean sky today…

good scenes, but sadly I cant point the video camera at the sun, so the

colours wont be in the movie, the clouds will have to do on their own.



 



They are heading north guys!!!



 410
 the sky is dancing  with colour and its heading north..  



Subject: the sky is dancing with colour and its heading north..



 



The new icy high clouds ran across the incredibly clean sky today…

good scenes, but sadly I cant point the video camera at the sun, so the

colours wont be in the movie, the clo		 290
meteor movie finally back together I saved the individual frames from the HD footage (it’s a 16meg H264

1080i m2ts file) and rebuilt them in windows movie maker after trying

adobe after effects and adobe premiere and giving up… I  got various

movie outputs but the noise and small pixels		 411
The fight is over. a win for light pollution and the environment MEC has withdrawn its appeal from the High Court – Te Rae Kai Hau Point

is saved, finally.



 



All,



The Dominion Post  announced today that the MEC has withdrawn its appeal

from the High Court and will start again with a new plan at a site

aroun		 9
RE: [nzastronomers] the sky is dancing  with colour and its heading north.. Hey John, thanks,



Its so good to have the SLR back!! The shutter is rated at 100,000

cycles and now I have a new one, it’s a 30D assembly, cost $430 all up.

Ive already shot two 4 hour star sequences (30 sec exposure/back to

back) . I’m in a jam ca		 328
RE: [nzastronomers] Re:The fight is over. a win for light pollution and the environment More or less everyone wins, with more education, and I’ll choose to look

away from the darker sides of such a project, hoping that it truly is

worth the necessary compromises, and overall  “in the greater good”. 



 



Lets be mindful that education		 10
play pass-the-parcel with a USB memory stick? Rod,



Great idea, in concept but hey, it’s a new era, 150 meg is really

nothing  to get off line these days, I’m pulling in 763megs at the

moment,  and ive done that several times in the last few weeks. My

nephews have been doing it for years. I usu		 59
RE: [nzastronomers] Low Evening Crescent Hey Coops.. awesome shots!!  Definitely a great target,  I look through

the telephoto with such satisfaction at  the new moon.  I was making a

video of that part of the sky funnily enough,  I had forgotten about the

moon, although last night we watched		 340
getting up early Hey Ursula,



I hear ya.. I gotta get up and make some dawn sequences.. and then some

sunrise video to dissolve it into…  I got about an hour of zenith star

sequence tonight before the cloud came in. That 2 months without my slr

has been a bit of a h		 28
RE: [nzastronomers] Low Evening Crescent - 2 All,



Here is a rushed pic from last night, just got home and rested on the

balcony, no time for tripod. Funny thing, Gordon lives more or less on

that line from here to the moon, on the other side of that skyline, but

he has the western and nor’and		 118
Aurora images by accident perhaps Maybe a long shot, but open it out for opinion. I shot 400 frames (30sec

exp) back to back with the bottom of the frame to south, and the crux

rising up into the frame over the 4 hours.  I made a video of that for

my movie, and I made a sped up timelap		 242
RE: [nzastronomers] Aurora images by accident perhaps  



These are the photoshop exports, only shrunk, no other process, still

with their exif data.   Note that I did use a light blue filter on some

of my sequences, I cant be certain of this sequence, I ran this one

behind the house away from the street		 429
RE: [nzastronomers] Aurora images by accident perhaps Ref:



http://www.lmsal.com/solarsoft/last_events_20080311_1531/index.html



 



 



Graham,



Appreciate your interest, here is a plot of that time, if it was 1:30am

9th March NZDT then it looks like a serious –Bz happened ..    (is I

that 12:30pm		 238
RE: [nzastronomers] Aurora images by accident perhaps Thanks Bob, I have 3 or 4 hours of back to back images before those

frames I sent, and that reddish smear appears more or less at random in

many of them, the interesting thing is that the movie making program

tends to enhance it a little by pixelating		 35
RE: [nzastronomers] Astro Event April 12th.  Sidewalk Astronomers - ISAN night April 12th Thanks Vicki, that’s four telescopes booked.



all,



Should be a great day/night all round,  Can we pin point where the

Rainbow warrior will actually be? And discuss the best place for us to

be set up?  I’ll speak to the Waterfront Company and find o		 33
RE: [nzastronomers] HST Good to hear Rod, yes to the twins of exhaustion and exhilaration…   



I shot an entire performance on video Friday night of Little Bushman at

the Wellington Festival of The Arts, with Lisa Tomlins and Jeff

Henderson as guests, playing 90 minutes in		 153
gentle discussion is likely to be more effective I say relax..  Whatever, we all have our own perspectives. We went

through this lull once before, and the result was??? in a list the

members can say what they feel, and its good to have democracy and

freedom, so I dont envy your role, in fact I don’t		 26
STARS movie progresses All,



Attached is an actual screenshot of a projected frame from the movie

‘STARS’ currently under production for an April premiere at the National

Film Archive. Note the reddish glow from the ‘clouds’ of high energy

solar sourced particles interacti		 54
try and get the subject line right I took the point, its pretty clear, but I don’t believe it’s a fair

process, and its not the demonstrated reality for the entire list.  I

still don’t comprehend the method going down here, its seems  a bit

archaic, but whatever, I can leave you alone f		 41
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